Comments on: Week 3 Summary http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/2011/10/10/week-3-summary/ part of the MSc in E-learning at the University of Edinburgh Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:41:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Ania Rolińska http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/2011/10/10/week-3-summary/#comment-30 Ania Rolińska Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:41:27 +0000 http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/?p=319#comment-30 I like the question about the presence too and agree with a new uni having to reconsider its position and the need to become a haunted place. I also believe that the online can be perceived as a privileged mode but its success can be put down to its engagement with the ghostly, not the stick of assessment. The problem of many online courses might be the fact that the looming assessment is the only thing that motivates the learner to complete the tasks, something that wouldn't feed into the ontological turn the university has to take. As to distractions, I get distracted online as easily, if not more easily, as in a trad classroom. It is the opportunity to engage with themes and questions that reach far into my professional practice and beyond it, into me being a learner, a woman and a human that appeals to me in the online mode and helps me persevere but maybe I'm being a geek. As to the Kress article, for me, it's not the matter of prioritising the medium or the message as this would indicate power relationships. It's more the two penetrating each other. Like Grace I am often disappointed when I see the film adaptation of the book because it does not echo my own imagining of the scenes and characters. But does that mean the visual locks me into the imagery? You can always think of it as an extension, another interpretive possibility. And how can you judge the adaptation if it is the text that is the point of departure (again, the text would be in charge of the interpretation). Interestingly enough, with our visual artefacts, the fact that people were interpreting them differently, often spotting things that the creator had not intended was generally felt as empowering, uncanny, enthralling, not as a source of disappointment. Is it because we were working in the opposite direction, with images being a starting point and words coming second. I find it quite interesting on tumblr and also youtube that you can respond using a visual. How would you give visual feedback on the artefacts displayed on our site? I like Jeremy's reading of Tolkien's quote as a metaphor of the reading process but I would like to emphasise that this might refer equally to image reading and text reading and the metaphor could be equally spurred on by the image or the description of the tree as images are also 'filled up with ages of memory, and long slow, steady thinking’. Maybe even more than text as what came first after all? I think due to the years of text-based culture, we are somehow programmed to value the text as it is more tangible, fixed and stable - gives us a sense of comfort? I find it intriguing to read Grace's comment that she feels more comfortable with words and she has to learn to read images. I'm similar but when you think of it: in the child development images come before words so you would consider them to be something natural. And in the humanity development, didn't picture come before the written word? The first languages were making use of images, pictograms. Why is it then we feel uncomfortable reading them? It should feel more natural ... What do you think? I like the question about the presence too and agree with a new uni having to reconsider its position and the need to become a haunted place. I also believe that the online can be perceived as a privileged mode but its success can be put down to its engagement with the ghostly, not the stick of assessment. The problem of many online courses might be the fact that the looming assessment is the only thing that motivates the learner to complete the tasks, something that wouldn’t feed into the ontological turn the university has to take. As to distractions, I get distracted online as easily, if not more easily, as in a trad classroom. It is the opportunity to engage with themes and questions that reach far into my professional practice and beyond it, into me being a learner, a woman and a human that appeals to me in the online mode and helps me persevere but maybe I’m being a geek.

As to the Kress article, for me, it’s not the matter of prioritising the medium or the message as this would indicate power relationships. It’s more the two penetrating each other.
Like Grace I am often disappointed when I see the film adaptation of the book because it does not echo my own imagining of the scenes and characters. But does that mean the visual locks me into the imagery? You can always think of it as an extension, another interpretive possibility. And how can you judge the adaptation if it is the text that is the point of departure (again, the text would be in charge of the interpretation). Interestingly enough, with our visual artefacts, the fact that people were interpreting them differently, often spotting things that the creator had not intended was generally felt as empowering, uncanny, enthralling, not as a source of disappointment. Is it because we were working in the opposite direction, with images being a starting point and words coming second. I find it quite interesting on tumblr and also youtube that you can respond using a visual. How would you give visual feedback on the artefacts displayed on our site?

I like Jeremy’s reading of Tolkien’s quote as a metaphor of the reading process but I would like to emphasise that this might refer equally to image reading and text reading and the metaphor could be equally spurred on by the image or the description of the tree as images are also ‘filled up with ages of memory, and long slow, steady thinking’. Maybe even more than text as what came first after all?

I think due to the years of text-based culture, we are somehow programmed to value the text as it is more tangible, fixed and stable – gives us a sense of comfort? I find it intriguing to read Grace’s comment that she feels more comfortable with words and she has to learn to read images. I’m similar but when you think of it: in the child development images come before words so you would consider them to be something natural. And in the humanity development, didn’t picture come before the written word? The first languages were making use of images, pictograms. Why is it then we feel uncomfortable reading them? It should feel more natural …

What do you think?

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By: Grace Elliott http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/2011/10/10/week-3-summary/#comment-28 Grace Elliott Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:16:48 +0000 http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/?p=319#comment-28 Hi Kevin, Very interesting read. I like your question, "Can any of us say that we are truly fully present in anything we do.." I know that there are certain situations where I have found myself daydreaming - so there in body but not in mind. You tweeted how everyone 'reads' the visual artefacts differently. And there have been many and varied interpretations, some of which weren't actually intended by the creator. When books are turned into film I can get disappointed because the character portrayals aren't anything like I imagined them to be. I'm comfortable with words but feel I have to be taught to read an image correctly. As for digital books, I can enjoy them and it sure makes holiday reading easier to pack but I'm a book person. I love books and always carry one with me, my favourite way of passing time when I have to wait around. I wouldn't like to think of a world where they become obsolete. Hi Kevin,
Very interesting read. I like your question, “Can any of us say that we are truly fully present in anything we do..” I know that there are certain situations where I have found myself daydreaming – so there in body but not in mind.

You tweeted how everyone ‘reads’ the visual artefacts differently. And there have been many and varied interpretations, some of which weren’t actually intended by the creator. When books are turned into film I can get disappointed because the character portrayals aren’t anything like I imagined them to be. I’m comfortable with words but feel I have to be taught to read an image correctly.

As for digital books, I can enjoy them and it sure makes holiday reading easier to pack but I’m a book person. I love books and always carry one with me, my favourite way of passing time when I have to wait around. I wouldn’t like to think of a world where they become obsolete.

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By: Jeremy Keith Knox http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/2011/10/10/week-3-summary/#comment-24 Jeremy Keith Knox Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:08:05 +0000 http://edc11.education.ed.ac.uk/kevinh/?p=319#comment-24 The Tolkien quote is absolutely fantastic here Kevin! Given your discussion of media, I couldn’t help but interpret the passage as a description, not of treebeard, but of the act of reading itself (text or image). When we read, is there not an ‘enormous well (of meanings) behind’ the words, ‘filled up with ages of memory, and long slow, steady thinking’?? This seemed to reflect aspects of hauntology suggested in Academetron, automaton, phantom: uncanny digital pedagogies, where ghostly domains always exist beyond the text; intersecting spheres of interpretation and intent. Moreover, this history renders the surface ‘sparking with the present’ – Tolkien definitely read Derrida…somehow… The Tolkien quote is absolutely fantastic here Kevin! Given your discussion of media, I couldn’t help but interpret the passage as a description, not of treebeard, but of the act of reading itself (text or image). When we read, is there not an ‘enormous well (of meanings) behind’ the words, ‘filled up with ages of memory, and long slow, steady thinking’?? This seemed to reflect aspects of hauntology suggested in Academetron, automaton, phantom: uncanny digital pedagogies, where ghostly domains always exist beyond the text; intersecting spheres of interpretation and intent. Moreover, this history renders the surface ‘sparking with the present’ – Tolkien definitely read Derrida…somehow…

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